Who killed Benazir Bhutto?

While there is no conclusive answer to who killed former Pakistani prime minister Bhutto, so far the only claim of responsibility has come from an Al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan, who posted the claim of responsibility on an Italian Web site. Al Qaeda posted the following message: "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat the mujahideen. (holy warriors.)"

Bhutto was an outspoken critic of Al Qaeda and other extremist Islamist groups. Consequently, Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups hated her for her rhetoric, for supporting secularism and for being a woman.

While we can't know for sure who killed Bhutto, on two occasions, Al Qaeda has also tried to kill Pakistani president Musharraf. This brings us to the state of emergency that was enacted by Musharraf in November to “defend Pakistan from extremists and terrorists.â€ï¿½ At that time the United States and much of the world criticized Musharraf and pressured him to lift the state of emergency and to resign as army chief, a position he held alongside the position of president.

Currently, the only force that can keep Pakistan intact and safe from the terrorists is the Pakistani military. The Pakistani military and president Musharraf know better than any outsider what it takes to keep Pakistan from failing and falling in the hands of terrorists and extremists. It is a mistake for the United States or any other country to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan by pressuring the Pakistani government to take any action that Pakistan does not want to take. It should be left up to the Pakistani people to decide whether emergency rule stays or not, whether the president wears an army uniform or not and when and whether elections are held.

The wrong interference by the United States and the weakening of the Pakistani military's control over Pakistan may produce a repeat of the disaster that brought clerical rule to Iran. In 1979, the Shah of Iran was deposed when the military refused to back him and the country fell in the hands of religious fundamentalist who continue to rule the country until today. This must not happen in Pakistan. The United States needs to be more emphatic to the particular circumstances of Pakistan and not to pressure Pakistan to do anything that is a threat to the stability and security of the country. If president Musharraf abuses his powers it is up to the majority of the Pakistani people to stop him and not foreign governments. The Pakistanis have a long democratic tradition and are capable of protecting their rights and institutions. An example is when Pakistani lawyers took to the streets to demonstrate against the weakening of the judiciary.

While democracy is a great ideal, Pakistan is currently facing turmoil and the Pakistanis need a strong president, a strong central government and a strong military to keep order. This remains the case despite allegations that the Pakistani military has been infiltrated by extremist elements. The United States should take no action to undermine the power of the central government, the military or president Musharraf, who has been a great ally in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Currently, the Pakistani military has more than 100, 000 troops fighting extremists on the Pakistani/Afghanistan border at a minuscule cost to the United States.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Kamal Nawash

Comments

Jimmy Carter supposedly said "There is a breath of freedom in the MIddle East" when the Shah was deposed on the mullahs took over in Iran. I fervently hope we do not give Hillary, Obama, Edwards or even Jimmy another chance to make such a stupid statement

Posted December 28, 2007 by meadow

Mr. Nawash is very insightful and very accurate, particularly this part:

"It is a mistake for the United States or any other country to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan by pressuring the Pakistani government to take any action that Pakistan does not want to take...The wrong interference by the United States and the weakening of the Pakistani military's control over Pakistan may produce a repeat of the disaster that brought clerical rule to Iran."

You probably noticed that all of the US Presidential candidates weighed in on this issue. However, there is ONLY ONE US Presidential candidate thatI believe shares Mr. Nawash's view... Ron Paul. here is a video of his reaction.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=785125216734390392

Posted December 28, 2007 by Dan

some wil say its muslims its arabs
big part it is.i can make a divrince between nonie darwish mister nawish
and mister zuhader jasser and radical

it appear we are winning in iraq
its growing in gaza and pakistan
and afhanistan
its time with our satelite F 16 and F 22 we track down kill them alllllll
befor they kill us

Posted December 28, 2007 by alberto gorin

The only thing the US needs to worry about is those nukes in Pakistan. If we can get them out, the hell with everything else - let al Qaeda take over; like Hamas they will self-destruct in a matter of weeks. Iran is not the precedent, since they had all that oil to allow them to get away with stupidity on a grand scale. Besides, Iran are Shia, and they are not Arabic.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Ron

I agree with this article. No matter what one thinks about the directions the government of Pakistan has taken, it is Al Queda that is the enemy and we cannot forget that in the quest to spread democracy. As a US general once commented when asked by the press why the US supported a certain Latin American dictator who opposed communism, "He may be an s.o.b., but he's OUR s.o.b." Mushariff is much better than that but we need to take the general's clear perception of where our interests are and help Pakistan achieve its goals as Pakistan has been helping us achieve ours; each in our own way.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Colin Barnhorst

Certainly there are many reasonable arguments and views to be had concerning the US interference with Pakistan. And while it is not for the US to have a say in who/what leads Pakistan, there is no arguing about the volatility of Pakistan and it's impact on the US and the greater Muslim world. The presence of nukes in any country (let all one with such great political instability as well as regional tensions)is a cause for concern for the entire world because of the very nature of the beast. Also, right or not, when a country is vested $10billion in you they do have a particular interest in what goes on with you. If Pakistan and Pakistani's do not want the "opinions" of the outside world, then they should rely on self sufficency alone, because there are strings attached to the receipt of aid. However, there is a necessity for outside aid and accepting it alongwith it's drawbacks should not be an issue of pride. The bigger picture and ultimate goal should be kept in sight.

Posted December 28, 2007 by SAhmad

How fortuitous for Musharraf that Benazir Bhutto, one of the few credible sources of opposition to his dictatorship, got killed. I'm not saying he did it. I'm just saying he's probably not all that broken up about it.

For too many years the Pakistani government has done its best to keep the country in constant flux, with a constant sense of threat from forces like al Qaeda, while playing little games which seem more likely to make al Qaeda flourish in some areas. After all these years why hasn't the Pakistani government done anything about the 5000 madrassas in northern Pakistan which do nothing but teach kids how to recite Koranic verses and grow up to be suicide bombers? Why hasn't the Pakistani government done anything about the rampant corruption and criminality in its streets? No one can walk down a street in Karachi without fear of being kidnapped and held for ransom or outright killed. The middle and upper classes have been fleeing Pakistan in droves. Instead of embracing the rule of law and the promotion of rights Musharraf has spent the last year or so ratcheting up the threat alert and seeking to cut around the court system and anything else which might offer a check on his power.

Now, Musharraf has the perfect excuse to extend his grip on Pakistan's government, to extend the reach of his crooked friends into what's left of Pakistan's coffers, and to control opposition.

Where was the security for Benazir Bhutto? Yesterday one journalist spoke of how she was searched at least four times on her way to a Bhutto rally, but this suicide bomber got through without a problem. How did someone with a gun and a bomb make through the "tight" security? The Bhutto people are saying they begged for more help and it wasn't given.

It looks like Musharraf and Al Qaeda both got what they wanted out of this deal.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Carla

Former Pakistani female Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated yesterday, but NOT TO WORRY! This was the work only of a tiny minority of fanatics who do NOT in any way represent Islam, which is, as our president and the Islamic public relations organizations such as CAIR never tire of telling us, a religion of peace. The misunderstanders of Islam who assassinated Bhutto in a suicide-bombing operation clearly misunderstood verses of the Koran such as these:

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other... Good women are obedient. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” (4:34)

"Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them Paradise. They will fight for the cause of Allah; they will slay and be slain." (9:111)

To any sensible person, it is obvious that these verses mean that it is O.K. for women like Benazir Bhutto to have authority over men, and that slaying and being slain in the cause of Allah is against the precepts of Islam. How could this tiny minority of extremists possibly think otherwise?

Posted December 28, 2007 by Montedoro

If people with little common scenes could not see what was coming her way, then they ought to wake up. Because she was out spoken against terrorism especially Al Qaeda, and Taliban, she had put herself in great danger. If you listen to Nawaz Sheriff, you hardly hear him condemning terrorism in public, may be behind closed doors yes. I recon if the combined efforts of the West can't disarm Pakistan of it's nuclear weapons, then it's only a matter time that unimaginable could happen, knowing the nature of Islam/Muslims. In the name of Islam they can kill innocent people without a second thought. See what happened to Poor Benazir Bhutto and there are tens and hundreds of people blown up by Islamic suicide bombers almost every day mostly in Muslim countries.log on www.thereligionofpeace.com www.faithfreedom.org

Posted December 28, 2007 by surj

If President Musharraf had a handle on the country and the terrorist this discussion would not need to take place. Although the President is between a rock and a hard place, he should be fighting the terrorist with the 100k strong military to destroy these monsters. There is no appeasing the terrorist with words. They live by actions alone. Therfore, military action is the only solution here and anywhere else they hide. They had Afghanistan, but that wasn't worth continuing to fight for. They have pretty much lost Iraq because of the coalition forces. They now have their sights set on Pakistan and its nuclear weapons. I agree that the US should not step in UNLESS we are asked by President Musharraf. As for Iran in 79, that would not have been allowed to happen if we had had a US President with a backbone. Unfortunetly, many more people will die before any resolution can be made in Pakistan. If the US is asked to step in and help, and we do, the terrorist will move on to Syria. They will continue to look for their OWN country unless we (the entire civilized world)continue to follow them wherever they go and destroy them.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Dan F

While I agree with a lot of what you say, particularly the view that the US should not interfere in Pakistan at this time, I must say that your piece contains material inaccuracies as well as material omissions.

You suggest that the state of emergency proclaimed by General Musharraf was due to the his need to "defend Pakistan from extremists and terrorists" In truth it was done to enable him to preserve his power, his unconstitutional service in the dual roles of army chief and president and to avoid an election.

You counsel faith in the people of Pakistan who, you assert, "have a long democratic tradition and are capable of protecting their rights and institutions." You cite as an example the recent instance "when Pakistani lawyers took to the streets to demonstrate against the weakening of the judiciary." In fact Pakistan has a violent and unstable political history, one where there has been a series of military dictators interspersed with a few elected regimes usually overthrown by the military. The situation in Pakistan seems to be one where the minority of fanatics have a large degree of control, exercised through violence, protection by the tribes in Western Pakistan and infiltration of both the Army and the security apparatus. Couple that reality with the utterly irresponsible way in which Pakistan spread nuclear technology and its aggression towards India and you have a very dicey situation. What was notable about the recent actions of the Pakistani lawyers was that they acted at all to protect the judiciary. It was the extraordinary nature of the action not its aspect as an ordinary part of a democratic state that was notable.

Your assertion that Musharraf "has been a great ally in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban is also inaccurate. He has been a reluctant ally and one who has engaged in a double game, seemingly an ally, but in fact an enabler of both the Taliban and al Qaeda.

I remain in agreement with your general point that the US should leave Pakistan to the Pakitstanis, but not for the reasons you present. I think that most US recipients of your essay will have reactions similar to my own.

Posted December 28, 2007 by David

Salamo 3alaikom:
Very interesting ???
is any of you has Sharon as a middle name ???????????????????????????????????
Salamo 3alaikom

Posted December 28, 2007 by 3adel

Yes, but the Pakistani people don't like America and Israel.

America for them and for us represents the Third Reich of our time.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Khalid

While democracy is a great ideal, Pakistan is currently facing turmoil and the Pakistanis need a strong president, a strong central government and a strong military to keep order. This remains the case despite allegations that the Pakistani military has been infiltrated by extremist elements. The United States should take no action to undermine the power of the central government, the military or president Musharraf, who has been a great ally in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Currently, the Pakistani military has more than 100, 000 troops fighting extremists on the Pakistani/Afghanistan border at a miniscule cost to the United States.

Dear Kamal,

You would have more credibility if you just did not copy the talking points faxes of the administrations.

Our own Intel people have told us that the Pakistan military is playing both sides. Sure they chase after the bad guy a little bit, but they fleece us for a fortune in the process, which they clearly intend to keep doing by manipulating a 'dangerous' situation.

The Paki military was the biggest nuclear proliferator in history and this has been hidden from the American people.

Bhutto showed incredible irresponsibility for her own lack of protection. Standing up through the moon roof like that was beyond stupid. She should have had a professional security staff in charge of her safety and she would still be alive. With all the money that her husband robbed they can certainly afford it.

Would appreciate a little more indepth reporting from you rather than being a transmission belt for your financial supporters. You have all the symptoms of a front group with what you have been sending out and we need another front group like we need a hole in the head.

Read the quotes below. You are not providing any knowledge. You are just telling folks what to think. We are bored to tears over all the people, front groups, etc...telling us what to think when they have an axe to grind that of course they don't disclose.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Jim

Kamal,

Rather difficult to know what really happened when so far away, but here is my take for what it is worth. Having to go by what I read; not what I saw.

The most logical explanation is that Bhutto did die when her head hit the turning knob/lever of the sun roof. The gunshots missed, but the concussion from the bomber sent her into the lever. Struck her in the temporal lobe. Worst place it could have hit her. Docs said the x-rays showed no sign of bullet or shrapnel penetration, yet her brain was oozing out of the hole. I know that is ugly, but think they did the best with what they had. Supposedly they didn't even have a pulse to work with.

Do I think the radicals were behind it. Yes. Put whatever name you want on them. Have seen it in most religions. It is not a Muslim only occurrence. Sometimes you have to say that enough is enough. Has anyone considered that what is happening in Iraq is because of such as this and it is not the "surge"?

I do not know what holds for Pakistan. Expect you know far better than I. Would declare martial law even though that is not popular, which is as should be. Am not Pakistani. It is for them to decide whether to work together or kill each other.

Not sure about the nukes. All it takes is for one to fall into the wrong hands.

What do I know?

Posted December 28, 2007 by Mart

I applaud your logic, and agree that a strong Pakistani military working WITH the civilian government is best for Pakistan and America. We in
America are all for giving Pakistan money to fight extremists for the benefit of Pakistan and America. I am very sorry about Ms. Bhutto's death, I thought she was and would again be a great leader. THere will never be another like her.

Posted December 28, 2007 by John

What rock did you crawl from under to tell The USA what to do? You just had to try to be something you are not and that is intelligent enough to tell Our country what to do. But u have planted your seed of mistrust already. Other than the nukes let them blow each other up over there until hell freezes over. We have lost too many good men and women fighting the fanatical minority of Muslims.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Tom

"While there is no conclusive answer to who killed former Pakistani prime minister Bhutto...."
"While we can’t know for sure who killed Bhutto...."

It's the Muslims, stupid!!!!
What other group of religious fanatics kill in the name of allah? Methodists, Baptists, the Salvation Army?
Muslims, by and large, are an uneducated lot, who blindly follow their imams and do what they are told. After all, if people can be convinced that there actually is a heaven where 72 virgins eagerly await the arrival of suicide bombers, that doesn't put them much above kindergarten level, does it!
Religion itself is the scourge of the world, headed by Islam.
And you, Kamal Nawash, are just one of its messengers!

Posted December 28, 2007 by Emerson

Thanks for this article.
The opposition to Mashariffs suspension of the consititution comprise his enemies, political rivals, theocracy promoters, and the same liberal ideologists that demand blind adherence to democratic principles even when those who would destroy us are benefiting most from these freedoms.
There exists at this point what I call "reckless democracy" and it will kill us if we don't accept that there is such a thing. Our enemies laugh at our suicidal self imposed restrictions.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Mel Driller

What a crappy piece! Such writings inspire these generals to disregard & disrespect the country's constitution and its democratic processes AND overthrow democratic governments, in the name of the people. We have seen this happen, over & over again, BUT has it done any good? They take over under the pretext of cleansing evil but eventually thet get mired only in protecting and preserving their sel interest.

Its sad to see people like Kamal Nawash vouching for these democracy killers. Kamal, you can forget my vote if you stand for office the next time!

Posted December 28, 2007 by Imran

I agree completely with Mr. Nawash's article. We must support President Musharraf! Some of the comments here talk about "democracy". Bull! These people are religious extremists wanting the overthrow of an effective government that is controlling the very forces that want Pakistan to spiral into chaos. You guys have nukes, for the love of God! You must protect them at all costs from the islamic nuts that want them in their evil hands.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Vince DC

I agree to most of what you said.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Maged

Dear Mr Nawash, We cried when we heard of Ms Bhuttos murder but were not suprised. Watching her speak to her people and the world at large, we got the impression that she knew her time was limited. This courageous woman, a leader in every sense of the word, put herself deliberately in harms way to get her message out. An educated beautiful and talented woman such as she could have lived in safety anywhere but instead returned to her home. Who killed her? Probably miscreants who want to create a world at war, but that could be any one of dozens of evil groups. Our condolences to the family of Ms. Bhutto and to all peace loving people the world over. I couldn't agree more that Pakistan needs to solve it's own problems. Help should be given only if asked for and then in very small carefully considered doses. We must guard against creating yet another " Iran" syndrome where the "solution" becomes worse than the original problem. The extremists want to inflame emotions and generate irrational reactions that they can then use as an excuse to " strike back at the aggressor". .... I have one question perhaps you can answer. Why does radical Islam have such hatred of women? Do Muslim men despise their mothers and sisters? Thank You and God Bless your efforts. Sincerely,

Posted December 28, 2007 by Margaret

Who killed Benazir Bhutto? People who benefit most from such turmoil : Defense, Oil, and Pharmaceutical cartels......Sales of defense products shoots up, oil prices go up, and pharmaceutical contracts escalate.....these cartel nourish from wars, terrorists, and assasinations....get it my friend ?

Posted December 28, 2007 by Ed

Thank you, so much, for your first hand information. It is good to get the real perspective on issues rather than the 'clouded' issue put out by Bush and his inept teams.

Thank you, again

Posted December 28, 2007 by Eric

any knowledgeable and intelligent person knows what al-qaeda really is, and most likely the perpetrators behind that "claim of responsibility" are the same ones who wish for particular regions of the world to remain under chaotic situations and not experience something more tolerable and moderate. the same thing happened in chechnya when maskhadov was killed as well. i smell a rat and see a pattern...may Allah swt help us all.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Humus

I personaly am catholic, but orginisations like yours are
much needed in the crazy world in which we all live. Thank You for making
the world a better place by teaching understanding and compation. We
all deserve to practice the religion we choose and a safe place to
practice it. We also deserve the right to defend ourselves aginst the
extremists and radical of the world.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Andrew

So per your suggestion, Pakistan Millitary should be ruling the country forever??? We have seen so many termoils in Army's ruling, lets try the Civilian Governments now.....Please??????

Posted December 28, 2007 by Ash

We have warned about this: Blatant U.S. support for Mrs. Bhutto is an open invitation for anti-U.S. terrorists to kill her. She knew this but played along. Despite the image of a daring democratic warrior, she never would have returned to Pakistan if not for Washington’s nudge. Just this week, she openly supported American accusations against Pakistan about ‘wasting’ $ 5 billion in U.S. aid, allegations that drew unusually strong rebuke from her own country. With her death, Washington’s plans for regime-change in Pakistan lie in complete tatters.

Posted December 28, 2007 by AHMED

First let us recount how Pakistan came into existence.
Several hundred years ago, there were few if any Muslims in India.
Islam began to spread into the Hindi culture, starting with its borders with Afghanistan and Iran. Essentially, Muslim Pakistanis are very similar in most every other way to Hindus, except for their religion. However, by 1947, (one year prior to the establishment of Israel), Pakistan succeeded from India with support from England and the USA. England was inclined to support Pakistan because it wished to exact pay-back to India, for having embarrassed them in its own earlier independence from the “Queen”. The USA was inclined to support England as the two nations have been playing such ping-pong for centuries.
Following the 1947 succession, millions of Hindus fled from their homes in Muslim zones and millions of Muslims fled India and re-settled inside Pakistan. It is instructive to note that there are no more “refugees” from that conflict, in contrast with the est. 5-million so called “refugees” remaining in controversy from the 1948 formation of Israel and the consequent exchange of Jewish and Muslim populations.
While the Muslims of pre-partition India claimed that their rights were being repressed and usurped by the Hindu Indian Majority, there were few examples of actual violence against Muslims who, at the end of the day, simply refused to be a religious minority, albeit not a separate cultural group. This is important to understand as today the world faces similar sectarian events in numerous venues, including even, the suburbs of Paris.
The official excuse used by the US to explain why we supported Pakistan was to prevent them from falling into the “Communist sphere of influence”, which is a very questionable explanation because at the time, we considered the democratic government of India as pseudo-communist, simply because they did not follow our identical form of capitalism.
In 1999 Pervez Musharraf removed President Muhammad Nawaz Sharif from power and assumed a military government, claiming that doing so was to deescalate tensions which had been accumulating with India. Pakistan and India had been to war several times since 1947.
Following Sept. 11, 2001, the USA began sending large sums of cash to the Musharraf government of Pakistan. This aid was intended to help Pakistan fight Islamic militancy and mitigate terrorism from inside its borders. In the past 7 years, the USA has donated $10-billion towards this goal. The results have been slow to non-existent. No improvements have been measured within the tribal controlled areas, directly bordering with Afghanistan, where several high-ranking Al Quieda leaders are said to have their headquarters, including Osama Bin Laden.
Musharraf has recently had to contend with a three-fronted challenge to his authority:
1. The Judicial Branch has disqualified his legitimacy and he has subsequently replaced the Supreme Court with his own puppets.
2. The Pakistani secular movement, led by Bhutto had challenged him at the ballot-box and—
3. The Sharia (extreme Islamic) movement has also been staging rallies and the previous Pakistani President Nawaz Sharif, has returned to Pakistan from exile in Saudi Arabia. He has since announced a boycott of upcoming elections and just today blamed Pervez Musharraf for the murder of Bhutto.
Musharraf himself has survived several assassination attempts and earlier this year when Bhutto returned, over 150 civilians were killed in a horrific suicide blast--in an attempt to kill her. So, there should be no surprise that this recent (successful) attempt occurred.
It’s a giant mess.
Barak Obama has previously stated that if elected US President, he would be inclined to pursue Al Quieda inside the borders of Pakistan, a statement which angered Musharraf and company.
So, that brings us to what to do now?
I do not think it is “interference” for the USA to demand some value for its money.
I say, lets make friends with the largest democracy in the world, India, something we should have done in 1947.
As long as we (the USA) financially supports Pakistan, we will be seen in the region as vicariously responsible for their actions, especially the brutal ones and certainly the stupid ones.
Let India deal with them and have our full support.
Its not a perfect solution but its possibly the only solution that makes any forward-motion.

Posted December 28, 2007 by Isidor Farash

Conclusive? All the evidence points back to Musharraf and his
military hunta that pulled their security detail out of the rally moments before the attack!!! Where are you guys sleeping??? Pay attention!

Anyone can send a fake e-mail around. And since when do thinking people
take seriously 'intel reports' from regime's like Musharraf's?

The Musharraf Hunta is the olny force to fear in Pakistan... This is
not about so called 'extremists,' it's about military dictators and their
backers who just murdered a rival that threatened their program. This
is why the man in the street in Pakistan is blaming the right
EXTREMIST...MUSHARRAF!!!

Posted December 28, 2007 by Arthur

When so called Islamic !! revolution took place in Iran, I was 16 years old, I saw all aspects of the revolution which was everything but islamic. Shah of Iran killed 200 prisoners over the course of 37 years he ruled Iran. Most of those prisoners were involved in killing Iranian soldiers. After relovution Khomeini killed more than 50,000 Iranian political activists in less than 6 years. Most of them were among Khomeini supporters during revolution.
Khomeini intorduced Terror and Islamic foundamentalism to the world.
People of west still don't know how dangerous the mullahs of Iran are.
I admire people of Pakistan who are fighiting against Terrorism.
I amdire President Musharaf. Pakistan needs a strong army to face terror and alQuada.
Hilarry Clinton wants to play the role of Jimmy Carter during Iran Revolution.
Carter's democracy in Iran caused execution of 50,000 people by Khomeini.
Do not let history repeat.
I am Iranian my heart is deeply wounded by terrorist rejim of mullahs in Iran.
I am muslim and 100 % agree with what is wrriten by Mr Kamal Nawash.
I respect Pakistan and its people we are naighbour.
God Bless Benazir Bhutto !!
she was first muslim female politician who lost her life for the people.
God Bless President Musharaf ! I pray for his success in fighting against alquada.
It is rediculous after all these terror incidents people in the west talking about democracy in Pakistan.
I want to tell them, thank you, we had enough democracy !!! in Iran after so called Islamic revolution supported by Jimmy Carter !!!
We had enough democracy !!! in Iraq after US attack which gave power to popets of Iran's mullahs in Iraq government.
enough is enough !!
I was deeply shock when I heard the news of assassination !!
Benazir Bhutto was brave woman and we will never forget her.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Edaalat

While I agree that we should jump the gun on pressuring General Musharaf, he needs to move the country back towards democracy.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Andrew J

Cheering for the bully to save the Victim!

I have been a skeptical and analytical person especially when dealing with issues involving theology, philosophy, politics, and conventions. However, I have usually been rather naïve regarding human beings; I usually assume good faith and intentions of people when I first encounter them.

This good will sometimes includes the individuals leading organizations. When I was first led to the website of freemuslims.org, after reading one or two pages, I got excited and immediately contacted the founder of the organization and sent him the following email on October 16th, 2006:

"Dear brother Kamal: I recently visited your organization's website and browsed some articles. It seems we share major concerns and goals. Perhaps, we should get to know each other. I would like to invite you to read the Manifesto for Islamic Reform published at: www.islamicreform.org You may find my other articles and books at: www.19.org and www.yuksel.org Peace, Edip"

After a round of emails and telephone conversations, learning a little more about the political position of the organization, I had some reservations, and I wrote back to him:

"Thank you for asking me to join FreeMuslims. I am not yet ready to join your organization since I made a decision not to join any organization until the Quran: A Reformist Translation is published. I am rejecting some media requests for interviews for the same reason, which was also advised to me by my editor. Though I publish my articles at my internet site, it does not put me in the limelight beyond my control."

Today, I received an article from Kamal entitled "Who Killed Benazir Bhutto?" Unlike Kamal, being familiar with the global politics, I am not much interested in learning exactly who killed Bhutto. To me, the more important and useful question is a different one: who would benefit from such a killing? Knowing how nation's secret services conduct covert operations, how they engage in propaganda, misinformation, how they commit assassinations and atrocities even through "hostile" organizations, I am not interested in the "who pulled the trigger" part. To me, the environment and policies that incubate and create such assassin's fingers are more telling. What the poor teenager shouted when he blew himself up is important, but it may not tell us anything about the "real" killer that created those who brainwashed him and trained him.

That said, I would like to question the real mission of an American organization led either by an extremely uninformed and gullible individual or … you fill in the blank. I will intersperse my response within his short article.

KAMAL NAWASH: While there is no conclusive answer to who killed former Pakistani prime minister Bhutto, so far the only claim of responsibility has come from an Al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan, who posted the claim of responsibility on an Italian Web site. Al Qaeda posted the following message: "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat the mujahideen. (holy warriors)"

Bhutto was an outspoken critic of Al Qaeda and other extremist Islamist groups. Consequently, Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups hated her for her rhetoric, for supporting secularism and for being a woman.

While we can't know for sure who killed Bhutto, on two occasions, Al Qaeda also tried to kill Pakistani president Musharraf. This brings us to the state of emergency that was enacted by Musharraf in November to "defend" Pakistan from extremists and terrorists." At that time the United States and much of the world criticized Musharraf and pressured him to lift the state of emergency and to resign as the army chief, a position he held alongside the position of president.

Currently, the only force that can keep Pakistan intact and safe from terrorists is the Pakistani military. The Pakistani military and president Musharraf know better than any outsider what it takes to keep Pakistan from failing and falling into the hands of terrorists and extremists. It is a mistake for the United States or any other country to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan by pressurizing the Pakistani government to take any action that Pakistan does not want to take. It should be left up to the Pakistani people to decide whether emergency rule stays or not, whether the president wears an army uniform or not and when and whether elections are held.

EDİP: Though the article does not deal why and how Musharraf came to power, I accept it as background information.

NAWASH: The wrong interference by the United States and the weakening of the Pakistani military's control over Pakistan may produce a repeat of the disaster that brought clerical rule to Iran. In 1979, the Shah of Iran was deposed when the military refused to back him and the country fell into the hands of religious fundamentalists who continue to rule the country. This must not happen in Pakistan. The United States needs to be more emphatic to the particular circumstances of Pakistan and not to pressure Pakistan to do anything that is a threat to the stability and security of the country. If president Musharraf abuses his powers it is up to the majority of the Pakistani people to stop him and not foreign governments. The Pakistanis have a long democratic tradition and are capable of protecting their rights and institutions. An example is when Pakistani lawyers took to the streets to demonstrate against the weakening of the judiciary.

EDİP: In the paragraph above a diabolic propaganda and disinformation screams. Mr. Nawash accuses the US of not supporting the Shah and thus unknowingly contributing to the rise and victory of mullahs in Iran. The author either lacks elementary knowledge about the subject, or he is intentionally hiding and distorting the facts. What led to the theocratic fascism in Iran was not the USA's lacking support for a corrupt dictator, but to the contrary, USA-Inc's support of a dictator and his corrupt and oppressive policy led to the mullah's victory in 1979. For those whose knowledge of history cannot go beyond 1979, I would like to recommend the following key words to google: Iran, Musaddiq, CIA, 1953, and coup.

NAWASH: While democracy is a great ideal, Pakistan is currently facing turmoil and the Pakistanis need a strong president, a strong central government and a strong military to keep order. This remains the case despite allegations that the Pakistani military has been infiltrated by extremist elements. The United States should take no action to undermine the power of the central government, the military or president Musharraf, who has been a great ally in fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Currently, the Pakistani military has more than 100, 000 troops fighting extremists on the Pakistani/Afghanistan border at a miniscule cost to the United States.

EDİP: The paragraph above exposes the so-called freemuslims.org like smell exposes the presence of a skunk. Nawash and his ilk, hide the obvious fact that suicide bombers and terrorists are generated by dictatorships, military regimes and occupations. Just look at the pattern: USA-backed fascist Israeli regime incubated and generated suicide bombers. USA-backed Saudi dictatorship incubated and generated 15 of the 19 terrorist bombers and their leader Ben Laden. USA-backed mujahids incubated and generated al-Qaida. USA-backed generals incubated and generated Taliban (who later took control of Afghanistan). USA-backed Shah incubated and generated mullahs. USA-backed Saddam incubated and generated mass murderers. The list is long and it includes numerous countries in three continents.

The fruits of USA-Inc helping dictators and military thugs have been the following: wars, atrocities, repression, oppression, poverty, civil wars, destruction, torture, tragedies, regression for the citizens of third world countries AND enormous profits for the USA's "military industrial complex" and other big multinational corporations such as Oil and Construction companies.

Abacha of Nigeria, Hugo of Bolivia, Batista of Cuba, Botha of South Africa, General Humberto of Brazil, Vinicio of Guatemala, Roberto Cordova of Honduras, Alfredo of El Salvador, Ngo Dihn of Vietnam, General Samuel of Liberia, Duvalier of Haiti, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, General Franco of Spain, Hassan II of Morocco, Ferdinand Marcos of Phillippines, Mobuto of Zaire, General Montt of Guatemala, General Noriega of Panama, Shah Pahlavi of Iran, Papadopoulos of Greece, Chung Hee of South Korea, General Pinochet of Chile, Pol Pot of Cambodia, Salazar of Portugal, Somoza of Nicaragua, Suharto of Indonesia, General Videla of Argentina, General Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan, Mubarak of Egypt, and now General Musharraf… What these former and current USA-Inc stooges offered to their people? And who gained from the their dictatorship?

Al-Qaida might be the enemy of a civilized world (whatever it means), but now we can be sure that al-Qaida is the enemy of Muslims AND the biggest benefactor of American Weapon, Oil and Construction industries. Arm dealers and the filthy rich are not morally better than used-car sales people, and they care neither about the American taxpayer nor the world, except their bottom line, which is: MONEY. Al-Qaida is the biggest bonanza for the USA-Inc after they lost the Communist bogeyman. And dictators and Muslims with a slave mentality are petty stooges to justify their plunder and hegemony.

More than ONE MILLION dead and MILLIONS of orphans, wounded and displaced Iraqis should be sufficient to show the intelligent the identity of the biggest threat to the world, including the American people who lose money and blood and now owe $30,000 per capita to debt created by corpolititans: USA-Inc and its stooges!

For the short term, continuing to support the dictator Musharraf might be the only choice to stop the escalation of violence and chaos in Pakistan. But, considering the history and pattern of the USA-Inc, we should all try to stop its policy of supporting dictators around the world.

The bully smacked a poor boy in the head with a bat. The poor boy gets disoriented and is going to fall on the concrete. The poor boy's friend cheers for the bully: "Bully! Save the poor boy; hit him with the bat on the other side!" Ironically, the bully has been smacking many poor boys all along, and people like Kamal Nawash have always cheered for the bully to save the victim!

No, muslims do not need friends like Nawash!

Posted December 29, 2007 by Edip Yuksel

Hello Edip Yuksel !!
If you don't mind I would like to reply to your note below:

You wrote:

"In the paragraph above a diabolic propaganda and disinformation screams. Mr. Nawash accuses the US of not supporting the Shah and thus unknowingly contributing to the rise and victory of mullahs in Iran. The author either lacks elementary knowledge about the subject, or he is intentionally hiding and distorting the facts. What led to the theocratic fascism in Iran was not the USA's lacking support for a corrupt dictator, but to the contrary, USA-Inc's support of a dictator and his corrupt and oppressive policy led to the mullah's victory in 1979. For those whose knowledge of history cannot go beyond 1979, I would like to recommend the following key words to google: Iran, Musaddiq, CIA, 1953, and coup."

My reply:
Your knowledge about Iran's Shah and mullahs revolution in 1979 limits to google search !!
With all respect you are completely wrong. US was supporting Shah of Iran but they were not happy as Shah founded OPEC to increase oil prices, therefore as soon as Islamic revolution started US found good chance to give a lesson to Shah, Jimmy Carter pushed Shah aside by critisizing him and indirectly supporting Islamic movement !! as results of Mr Carter's democracy Mullahs executed more than 50,000 Iranians after revolution.
please do not limits your knowledge to google search.
Unlike you, I do believe muslims do need friends like Nawash.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Edaalat

The fact that either religious faction has taken a solid side in regard to killing people is a sad truth to either faith! It is the teachings of both faiths to respect and let live in peace the path of each person the way of life! It is in life we learn to respect each other! Violence and murder by either religion is to disrespect the word given. The rath of GOD shall become them in either case! Not one religion is true that selects to murder another human being! That choice is meerly a fanatical selection! Any man that has a child should look into the childs eyes and wish for life in that child beyond our own! To defer from this is not in GOD's eyes! Look deep in your spirit and see what you set as an example for your children, will it benefit your GOD and child? If not then you should beg forgiveness and repent! Peace is the only true form of life, You can not force others to convert so why not be passive and accept the world as it is? Jesus speaks in basic words as does Allah! It is your own task to listen and respond in the word of GOD to respect your neighbor and life, to do otherwise is an insult to GOD! 1 True GOD!

Posted December 29, 2007 by Unbiest

While I agree with most of the statements on this article, however, it’s suitable to add that there will be many dark days ahead of Musharaf. In recent decades, the extremists have been empowered by Pakistani government to agitate its neighboring states. For instance, the Taliban were ascertained by Pakistan to extend the post war damage to Afghanistan in an effort to prevent them from reclaiming the Durand Line properties. Similarly, Kashmir war has been another enticing factor for Pakistan to empower the extremists. The Pakistan government has achieved its objective by the extremists to certain extend, still, it is almost impossible to defuse them so quickly. The empowering of Al-Qaeda against the Soviet Union by the US government achieved parallel result; nevertheless, the United States payback is not nearly as extensive as the cold war. One must realize that changing human mentality is not as easy as we would like to, especially, when it entails their virtue and belief. Adam Smith once quoted: “virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience”.
Furthermore, I disagree with the statement claiming the state of current democracy in Pakistan. I believe that Musharraf is still a dictator and to certain limit fascism is ruling the country. Likewise, Musharraf’s rapid mental alteration is beyond rationality.
That being said, one must emphasize the lack solid evidence of Bhutto’s assassin. It is not beyond intellectual capacity to presume the extremists’ direct involvement in her assassination, regardless of the government support.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Nek

The people of Pakistan continue to build up the individual who is governing the country rather than developing the democratic institution that needs to be established in Islamabad. The best way to remember the former Prime Minister’s death is to carry on with the January elections in Pakistan, if not then the institution and principles of democracy loses forever. My thoughts and prayers are with her family and with the courageous citizens of Pakistan

Posted December 29, 2007 by Akir

Excellent analysis. On the Pakistani dilemma, it is always arrogant and self claimed specialist American that stir up the whole region by their stupid policies.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Abraham

Isador

How do you know so much about Pakistan. I am impressed

Posted December 29, 2007 by Mohammad

Conclusive? All the evidence points back to Musharraf and his military hunta that pulled their security detail out of the rally moments before the attack!!! Where are you guys sleeping??? Pay attention! Anyone can send a fake e-mail around. And since when do thinking people take seriously 'intel reports' from regime's like Musharraf's?

The Musharraf Hunta is the olny force to fear in Pakistan... This is not about so called 'extremists,' it's about military dictators and their backers who just murdered a rival that threatened their program. This is why the man in the street in Pakistan is blaming the right EXTREMIST...MUSHARRAF!!!

Posted December 29, 2007 by Artforjustice

Iran

Mr. Nawash how dare you critisize Iran. Ayatollah Khomani freed Iran from fascisim. You are not a muslim Mr. Nawash. You should side with your own people. No one supports the Palestinin people as much as Iran. You should be ashamed of your self.

You are just another Sunni who hates shias

Posted December 29, 2007 by Ali

Mohammad:
Thanks again for the nice comment.
I am a bit of a amateur historian.
We all are subjected to mass amounts of detail information. I manage to identify what is likely to become important and retain much of it for long enough to post on a blog.
I really try to be 100% accurate but likely fall short a percentage of the time. I'm not sure the professionals are 100% accurate either.
I try to read a lot about religious history. Some references sound outlandish but turn out to be true. What interests me most are the cross-references, which match (or are close to matching) and tend to verify (or prove false) certain common beliefs.
Regards:

Posted December 29, 2007 by Isidor Farash

Happy New Year brother! Are we speaking of AH 1429 in two weeks or AD 2008 next week? (Ok, just kidding.)

I do agree with one caveat: the idol they are building to Saint Benazir Bhutto bears little resemblance to Prime Minister Bhutto. As PM, she was not pro-Western, pro-woman, or anti-Islamist in any significant measure. She certainly espoused anti-Islamist rhetoric recently, and perhaps she would have helped in that regard as PM again.

It will be hard to stamp out Islamism in Pakistan. This is the only country in the world whose existence is based solely on Islam. Iran may be ruled by the mullahs but its Persian core has a proud history. Egypt has a distinct political tradition. Iraq has a distinct political tradition and is the cradle of all civilization. Even the present Saudi Caliphate includes most of the ancestral homeland of the Arabs. The Indus River within Pakistan has a proud history of early civilization too but that is mostly Hindu. Pakistan simply happens to be the Muslim majority part of the British colony of India, and it is not even all of that since Bangladesh became independent.

I agree entirely that the US should stay out. If my childhood home had been a democracy, my sister and I would have killed each other. (I tend to believe she would have been the martyr and I the victor.) Sometimes you need a firm hand on the wheel.

Peggy Noonan's column in today's WSJ suggests that there will be at least one significant crisis in the next presidential term and she begs Iowans to nominate a reasonable person this week. She excludes both Hillary and Huckleberry from this.

The Islamists may have unwittingly done the world a favor by helping remind Americans that we need a leader with some sense.

Posted December 29, 2007 by AEC

Dear Kamal Nawash,

Thank you for your thoughtful and well written article. I found it enlightening and will consider your ideas.

Sincerely,

Posted December 29, 2007 by Alexandra

What can be done to show these suicide bombers how wrong they are and avoid killing them. I am worried that others who are not extremists will fall with them. I know some who are good and decent people, and I worry for them. You should know what can be done. What?

Posted December 29, 2007 by Robert

You are so right. This is such a tragedy that they were able to get to her. But what was she thinking, sticking her head out of the armored car and going outside in such an unstable atmosphere? This is really not explainable. It was a suicide mission for her to campaign this way in Pakistan.

Now it looks as though Iran and Pakistan will be an Islamic and nuclear block. I'd be pretty scared if I was Indian.

You know SO much about this issue, I read all your stuff: can you please address why Islamists have not yet come to blow up a movie theater in NY or LA? It would cripple the US economy. Why haven't they set off something in a mall yet? What is the reason? It would be (for them) relatively easy for them to do and would absolutely set the economy here into a tailspin.

Posted December 29, 2007 by Carole

WHO THE HELL CARES WHO KILLED THAT BITCH..!!!

THE GOOD THINGS IS THAT BITCH HAS GONE TO HELL JUST LIKE HER FUCKING FATHER.. THAT FAMILY HAS FUCKED PAKISTAN LONG ENOUGH AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO ROT IN HELL!!!

SO IF YOU THINK HER DEATH IS ANYTHING BUT A BLESSING FOR PAKISTAN.. YOU BETTER GET A BRAIN

Posted December 30, 2007 by Moiz

While slightly off topic, the recently released tape-message, purportedly by Osama Bin Laden deserves mention. It reveals that even if the Al Qaeda ("Foundation") group was not directly responsible for Ms. Bhutto's death, even if the Pakistani military was directly complicit, all that means is that the Pakistani military junta has been in league with Al Qaeda.
Bin Laden also stated: "We intend to liberate Palestine, the whole of Palestine from the (Jordan) river to the sea," he said, threatening "blood for blood, destruction for destruction. . . .We will not recognize even one inch for Jews in the land of Palestine as other Muslim leaders have."
These statements should come as no surprise and they are not unique for the personalities involved in the region. However, in the past, Bin Laden has not obsessed very much on the Israel controversy. At times, he has glazed over it or merely stated that his group objects to the repressive treatment of Arabs by Israel.
Why now? Has Israel recently become more repressive?
Not at all. Bin Laden has selected this point in time because it appears as if there may be a compromise peace settlement pending.
And at then end of the day, Al Qaeda's true enemy is not the Jews, or the Americans, and not even those Arabs and Muslims--who favor compromise over calamity. Al Qaeda's true enemy is COMPROMISE itself, in any form or variation.
As such, Mr. Bin Laden is not only living in the past, but is living in a fantasy past, which includes all sorts of revisions of history. Which is why he can't live in the present and certainly not in the future. The "present" is not so easy to manipulate as the past.
Jews (by in large) live in the future. Their lives are not at all perfect and often leave much to be desired but they compensate emotionally, by dreaming of (and actually designing) a future wherein the world does not see them as the eternal enemy of both God and man.
The 0.2% of the world's population who consider themselves Jewish, herewith reach out to the 99.8% all others--to join them in a better future. A future where the world does not need to squander its resources fighting and killing and dying. Frankly, with only about 14-million Jews living in the world, we can't spare any more casualties. Of that 14-million, 5.3-million reside in Israel. According to Bin Laden, those 5.3-M Jews do not belong there and have no rights and therefore must either leave or die. Why is this concept not unique? Because it is a similar sounding concept to that which was earlier adopted by Adolph Hitler. Which is another reason why Jews prefer to obsess on the future rather then the past. The past (almost any era) has not been a happy place for Jews to ruminate.
One day the world's oil will either be used up or rendered obsolete. Ironically, there is a decent possibility that the scientist who obsoletes crude-oil will be from the 0.2% of the world's Jewish population. At that time, mysteriously, the "Arab cause" which has been roundly supported from all corners of the globe since about 1907, will drastically dissipate. When that day happens (and it may be sooner then many people think) it would be much better for all involved if the world's varied cultures found some accommodation for each other. This will require compromise. Those who see any form of compromise as betrayal, are themselves engaged in the act of betraying the future of humanity.

Posted December 30, 2007 by Isidor Farash

Salaam Alaikum
Let us use Quran and make it simple
2:213] Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Scripture with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed. And only those unto whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it, after clear proofs had come unto them, through hatred one of another. And Allah by His Will guided those who believe unto the truth of that concerning which they differed. Allah guideth whom He will unto a straight path.
The ignorance of muslims,christians ,& jews that want to increase the hate between each other do a dishonorable service to there faith and themselves. The sense less killing that go on in the USA,Pakistan,Iraq and other places on the planet shows non of us has a great grip on our faith. If we did wars would not go on.The Ignorance is equal. I would not be writing if things were great.Pointing fingers can point back. Let us learn to respect each other . Let us stay out of Pakistan and pay attention to New Orleans,Detroit,Washington D.C.,Houston,Cleveland,and many other cities that need the money we spend on the Bush Crusade which is like the crusades of of europe into the middle east. Let us crusade in helping build our country.
Hassan
US Army Ret..
Muslim American

Posted December 30, 2007 by Hassan

If there aren't Muslims brave enough to fight for democracy as this woman was, then what will these horrible Islamic countries do to their people, continue to shut them up and force the population to live under Islamic law? This is why Muslims leave those countries and come here...and it's not America's fault that she chose to go home....Who killed her? Certainly it is quite strange that there are conflicting reports. Strange corrupt country, I'd say. I sure hope they get more people like Mrs. Bhutto…Democracy is their payback.

Posted December 31, 2007 by Anonymous

"The Pakistani military and president Musharraf know better than any outsider what it takes to keep Pakistan from failing and falling in the hands of terrorists and extremists. It is a mistake for the United States or any other country to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan by pressuring the Pakistani government to take any action that Pakistan does not want to take."

I'm inclined to agree with that. To a limited extent.

I also appreciate the point Colin Barnhorst brought up ("He may be an s.o.b., but he's OUR s.o.b." - posted December 28, 2007).

However, I'm old enough to remember the time when American policy involved supporting corrupt "presidents" and generals in Latin America. The policy made sense, in the short term, but it also earned America the reputation for supporting corruption. Later, this gave people with dubious beliefs and motives a rich vein of resentment to mine at the grassroots level.

That said, I don't think we run the risk of repeating the 'banana republic' mistake in Pakistan. President Musharraf has been accused of corruption, but so has Bhutto. I get the impression that "corruption" is an accusation-of-choice in Pakistani politics, as "communist sympathizer" used to be, and "racist" is today in America.

Musharraf certainly hasn't done everything possible to rid Pakistan of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other terrorist groups. I'd be concerned if he had. As a leader of Pakistan, he is responsible for the welfare of Pakistan. Getting rid of terrorists is a good long-term goal, but it will probably take time and finesse: which I think Musharraf may have.

Pakistan, like any country, is a culturally, socially, economically, and politically complicated place. I think that Pervez Musharraf is in a better position to understand what works and what doesn't in Pakistan, than any combination of American Senators, or even a consortium of American college professors.

Finally, although I think that America should not interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan, I certainly think that this country should engage with Pakistani politics. I see one country's government telling another's that it would prefer to deal with this or that candidate as a natural part of international relations: and that America's presumed encouragement of Musharraf to form a political bond with Bhutto isn't interference - it's negotiating.

Posted January 01, 2008 by Norski

Musharraf has been an uneven ally. We cannot trust him so much. For one, while Butto said she would start bringing the madrasas -- which teach hate, etc. -- under control and have more public education, Musharraf has done little or nothing. We are in a very bad situation there. I agree that we cannot "order democracy" there, but we should not assume that the murder of Butto was not without inside support either. It is not a nice place, is it?

Posted January 02, 2008 by Jarrow

Jarrow:
The "madrasas" schools you refer to are voluminous inside Pakistan, with many estimates in the 5,000 range.
These teaching-centers (and countless others around the region) have (for decades) been financed by Saudi oil money, with some help from other Arab oil-based dictatorships, such as Kuwait, etc..
These schools start with very young boys and subject them to unending repetition of Quranic verses. Of course, we all know that different translations and interpretations of Qur’an exist. On top of that, the individual clerics have a lot of power to explain the verses in whatever ways they feel suitable. Combine this with some creative history and partisan social-studies and this system becomes especially effective in controlling the thought patterns of very young children. Remember that in Pakistan, children’s civil rights are often lacking (or non-existent), wherein five and six year-olds can routinely be found working 16-hours per day, in carpet factories and sleeping on concrete. So, ironically, these madrasas offer children a more respectful and some might say pleasant childhood then the alternative. Nonetheless, at the end of the road, what the world winds up with is legions of ticking “time-bombs”. Some of these children (it can be assumed) were not entirely sane when the entered the intense training. Which is why I now repeat what I posted herein months ago:
The teaching of minors (under 18) that suicide is a fast path to heaven should be adopted by the United Nations as a ‘Crime Against Humanity’. I do not say this because I have any expectation that such will happen. I say it anyway.

Posted January 02, 2008 by Isidor Farash

Dear Mr. Kamal Nawash
Reading your comments in Free Muslims; " Who killed Bhutto?" was a breath of fresh air. Media debates in Pakistan or the West are acting in an emotional way and trying to present Benazir Bhutto as a saint.
I myself have been telling the Europeans and Danish media and intellectuals that their knowledge of the situation in Pakistan is faulty.
Looking at the political landscape in Pakistan, it is clear that in the present situation, President Musharaf is the best bet to move Pakistan forward. PPP, Muslim League (N) or religious parties have no plan of action, economic strategy, vision or even plain common sense. Shouting vulgar slogans would not help Pakistan in its socio-economic progress.

I also share your views that USA, UK and anyone else should stop meddling in Pakistan’s internal affairs. They would not like if President Musharaf start commenting as to who should be the President or Prime Minister of UK. It is local population, which has the sovereign right to do so.
I would like to send you an article , I wrote before Benazir’s death. Where can I send it?
Kind regards

Bashy Quraishy
Chair - Advisory Council - ENAR ( European Network Against Racism) - Brussels
Chair - Jewish Muslim Co-operation Platform - Brussels
Member Board of Trustees - More colour in the media - Holland
Member Board of Trustees - Centro de Estudos Multiculturais - Portugal
Mobile: 0045 - 40 15 47 71 Phone/Fax: 0045-38 88 19 77 www.bashy.dk

Posted January 02, 2008 by Bashy Quraishy

Mr. Quraishy:
Mr. Nawash is likely not going to reply to your question. Nothing personal but he rarely answers questions posted.
Here is his contact info:

Free Muslims Colation
1050 17th St. NW, Suite 1000
Washington, DC 20036

202-776-7190 or 301-905-6438

info@freemuslims.org

Media relations: media@freemuslims.org

Contact President Kamal Nawash
E-mail: president@freemuslims.org

Posted January 02, 2008 by DATA

Salam
I don't have time to explain to you my anger or try and argue with you what the quran teaches us. I was wondering how much the Pakistani government paid you to distribute that article.

A tyrant is a tyrant no matter how you want to justify it. I grew up in the USA and received an MA from the University of London but your arguments are counter to everything the quran teaches us. The quran instructs us to rise against tyrants and oppressors not defend them because of short term gains (so you can live in the West).

Posted January 03, 2008 by Suhaib

The Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia Washington, DC

The Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia calls on the Bush Administration and US Congress to initiate a prompt and unbiased international investigative tribunal to find out who was behind the barbaric assassination of former Pakistan Prime Minister, Benizar Bhutto, on Dec. 27, 2007.

Ms. Bhutto was among the very few popular non-sectarian Muslim women who call for democratic reforms, for the eradication of the root causes of religious extremism as well as for the transformation of archaic intolerant Muslim institutions that teach hate against women, religious minorities and non-Muslims.

The international community, especially democratic societies, must stand up and prevent victory for tyrannical Arab and Muslim regimes who opposed democratic reforms and liberation for women.

Investigating the assassination of Bhutto could lead to findings that may prove embarrassing for Western democracies; but not to do so will only increase the power and threats of dangerous groups and the absolutist ruling elites who are determined to rule the world with the sword.

Ali H. Alyami, Ph. D.
Executive Director, The Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia

ali@cdhr.info; www.cdhr.info

Posted January 03, 2008 by Ali

Mr. Suhaib:
I just wanted to point something out.
You wrote:
"The quran instructs us to rise against tyrants and oppressors not defend them because of short term gains . . ."
You know, if a lot of people were agreed, they would not need to "rise-up," so to speak. The "oppressors" would most certainly find themselves bowing-down (and not one shot need be fired).
The problems begin because of the intense and multiple divisions within the human family.
If I asked you what you preferred flavor of ice cream was, you might say strawberry or coffee, or anything else, which would be of no offense or threat to me or anyone else.
As the questions get more serious, the answers become more potentially divisive.
To the point where (obviously) even fellow Muslims vehemently disagree on multiple fronts.
From there the divisions widen. Christians (who also can disagree with each other) are one step removed from the Muslim community. Atheists are further removed and so forth, until we get down to murderers and violent criminals, who are at the maximum level of social isolation.
But we humans find it difficult to agree on almost everything. Even simple matters, such as the fact that Kings have no worthwhile place in the 21st century, finds us at odds with each other. And here is the paradox: Royalty and tyrants have the net-effect of reducing the total level of debate and confusion. Yet, they can easily cause the fewer debates to become grossly more severe. During times of great tribulation, human-nature finds us deferring our wills to tyrants, who offer the (possibly illusionary--yet still strangely comforting) advantage of reducing the number of items we need to bicker over. People often don't care what they need to think or promote, so long as they are singing the same songs as the local army and police.
Hence, they don't feel particularly comfortable with those songs changing very often because changing songs inevitably mean that the private citizen will be caught singing the wrong tune.
This world offers tremendous resources, enough for all to live comfortably. The first decision we have to make is that we wish to be comfortable in and among each other's company. Until we humans can naturally agree on some simple premises, sadly, tyrants and robber-barons will control us and maybe, that is the best we deserve. Replacing one tyrant with a different one would only be a temporal relief. Or, Donald Trump in pace of John Corzine. Until we change ourselves, our leaders will continue to disgrace us, as they reflect the disgrace inherent within our hearts and minds.
The Pakistani government did not pay Mr. Kamal for his opinions. Mr. Kamal has a relationship with the Saudi Royal Family, who (from time to time) has him impressed in the same way that a movie-star such as Jack Nicholson might impress a limo driver.
Mr. Kamal is a lawyer and fairly smart but I don't always agree with him. I have considered a few of his articles poorly reasoned and said so. But I never question his motives, as he probably risks his life to bring us this open forum. Even if he were corrupt, we would not be able to know that, based on his opinions.

Posted January 03, 2008 by Isidor Farash פרש

Isador,

Good response my friend. I guess because Kamal Nawash has waited so long without send out a blog article, we lost many of the regular bloggers who used to post. In any case, keep writting, I am sure more will start posting as time goes by. I sent kamal an email telling him to do new post regularly.

Posted January 04, 2008 by Buraq

Dear Mr. Kamal Nawash,

I am writing to you in your capacity as the President of the Free Muslims Coalition against terrorism. I share with you the rejection of all forms of terrorism. This is in fact the reason I feel compelled to write to you.

As you certainly have been aware, the mass murder committed on 9/11 has been designated as an act of terror and was attributed to 19 Muslims, members of Al Qaeda, acting under the orders or incitement by Osama bin Laden. Yet, a growing constituency both within the United States and Europe doubts that the this crime was committed by Muslims. The allegations made against the 19 alleged hijackers, whose Arab-sounding names were publicized by the FBI and mass media,
have been unsubstantiated. Permit me to list the lack of evidence:

1. The US government has refused to release the original passenger lists of 9/11 on which the names of the alleged hijackers and passengers would appear. Various lists have been circulated by mass
media, none of which has been formally sourced to the original list.
At the Moussaoui trial, copies of copies of socalled passenger lists were released, none of which are certified or authenticated. They do not bear any signature or the name of the issuing authority or airline.

2. The US government has not produced a single boarding card stub from the four flights allegedly hijacked by Muslims. The Final Report of the 9/11 Commission of Inquiry does not even mention the existence of boardind cards in connection with boarding process on 9/11.

3. No person has ever testified to have actually seen any of the 19 alleged hijackers board any of the doomed aircraft. In fact, no person has testified to have seen any passenger - or for that matter crew member - board any of the four flights.

4. There exists no CCTV recording of the boarding process.

5. None of the alleged hijackers' bodily remains have been
positively identified. The US government has shown no interest in
obtaining comparison specimen from the alleged hijackers' families in order to positively identify their remains.

All in all, there exists thus no evidence - whatsoever - that Muslims had participated in the crime of the century.

I urge you, therefore, to join the 9/11 truth movement that is demanding a new, independent and thorough investigation of the events of 9/11. I believe that due to the fact that you represent a Muslim organisation, you should attempt to redeem the harm caused to Muslims by attributing to Muslims this odious crime. The same attribution was made in London on 7 July 2005, again a case in which I believe Muslims were wrongly condemned.

As a person who has engaged in a thorough research of the events of 9/11, I feel confident in the facts I reported to you above and remain to your disposal for any further information, questions or observations.

Sincerely yours,

Elias Davidsson
Reykjavik, Iceland
www.juscogens.org

Posted January 04, 2008 by Elias

Elias Davidsson:
If your premise is correct, then this (Free Muslims) web site was started for no reason and exists for no reason--since, according to you, Muslims are not capable of terrorism.
The word: "Assassin" is English for the Arabic "Hashshashin". These were suicide warriors, from circa 1090-CE.
The World Trade Center was nearly taken down by an earlier (1993) attempt by the same parties and this event was fully adjudicated and proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_1993_bombings
That 1993 attempt was to murder 250,000 people.
What is amazing to me is that (far-and-away), the majority of people who deny (what Al Qaeda has readily admitted & boasted of) are themselves not Arabs or Muslims. They are generally whites of Anglo/Germanic/Scandinavian decent. In fact, the Wall St. Journal reported that in the 8-10 weeks following Sept. 11, 2001, 75,000 German nationals (presumably not from the Mid East) converted to Islam. The notion that Muslims were not culpable in the 9-11 attacks should come as quite a surprise to them, as no 'conspiracy theories' yet existed and the majority of these people might be disappointed.
PS> If the Israeli Mossad turn out to be the true culprit of 9-11, (as is the standard counter-explanation by your theorists), then I do NOT expect these same 75,000 Germans will get circumcised and re-convert to Judaism.
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"The Hashshashin (also Hashishin, Hashashiyyin or Assassins) were an offshoot of the Ismā'īlī sect of shiite Muslims. After a quarrel about the succession of leadership in the ruling Fatimide dynasty in Cairo around the year 1090, the losing Nizāriyya faction were driven from Egypt. They established a number of fortified settlements in present day Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon under the charismatic leader Hasan i Sabbah. Persecuted as infidels by the dominant sunni sect in the Muslim world, they sent dedicated suicide murderers to eliminate prominent Sunni leaders whom they considered "impious usurpers."[1] The sect was decimated by the invading Mongols, their last stronghold being flattened by Hülegü Khan in the year 1272.
Some scholars believe the term Hashshashin, a name given to them by their enemies, was derived from the Arabic "haššāšīn" (حشّاشين, "hashish user"), which they are alleged to have ingested prior to their attacks, but this etymology is disputed. The sect referred to themselves as al-da'wa al-jadīda (Arabic:الدعوة الجديدة), which means the new doctrine, and were known within the organization as Fedayeen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin

Posted January 04, 2008 by Isidor Farash [formally Goldstein]

Hassan, Let us use Quran and make it simple, You quote Sura2:213 "Mankind were one community...." You Muslims are clever to quote some mild suras to gullible Westerns which makes them feel as Islam is peaceful. But what about Sura 8:12 "And when Allah revealed to the Angles saying,I shell be with you. Give courage to the believers, I shall cast terror into the hearts of the Infidels. Strike off their heads, smite the end of their fingers". Sura 8:13" This is because they defied Allah and His Apostle. He that defies Allah and His Apostle shell be sternly punished(we said to them)Fell our scourge. The torment of the Fires awaits the unbelievers". Would you say that sounds peaceful? Majority of Christians and Jews DON'T have a hatred of Muslims where as majority of Muslims have the hatred of Christians and Jews(all unbelievers)You say "Let us learn to respect each other" I do agree with you, but it is the Muslims more then Westerners who MUST LEARN how to respect unbelievers and their places of worship in Muslim countries, don't you agree? have you read Quran? read Sura 9:29, Sura 9:111
Sura4:34 Sura 111, Consider yourself lucky that you are living in a civilized country and society, otherwise Muslims won't be smuggling themselves in the West.Now you are retired go and live in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia for one year and see how good Islam is? log on www.thereligionofpeace.com

Posted January 06, 2008 by surj1936

Suhaib, Tell us what does your Quran teaches you? I think if you had a MA from the University of London, you should have little sense no to accuse Mr kamal of getting paid by Pakistani Government for the article, without any concrete evidence on you part. The Quran instructs us rise against tyrants and oppressors not to defend them of short term gains(so you can live in the West)Tell us the Exact Sura, would you, please.log on www.faithfreedom.org

Posted January 06, 2008 by Anonymous

Elias Davidsson,... 9/11 has been designated an act of terror and was attributed to Muslims.I ask you then what was it attributed to? War games? Oh, sorry I forgot it must be Israel's hand behind all this.In all my life I have never heard such a redicolous thing.Let me ask you that,Would you rape you wife one evening and then in the morning you go to all your neighbours and tell them that your wife got raped while you were asleep? Tell us why would USA want to destroy there own WTC? Have you heard cockpit and mobile phone tapes from those planes? For the first time you may learn some thing when you log on www.thereligionofpeace.com

Posted January 06, 2008 by Anonymous

I am a Christian subscriber to your online articles. As to your subject article, I have never read a position that I agree with more than this! I absolutely agree with your position that the Bush administration should leave its hands off the Pakistani President. I agree that President Jimmy Carter must share a major part of the responsibility for the fall of the Shah of Iran and that President Bush's ill advised interference risks a similar calamity in Pakistan. Unfortunately, both President Carter and President Bush have a view of world politics colored by their experiences in the rural southern United States. We have seen ample evidence that this view is incorrect. I sincerely hope that our next President, due to take office approximately one year from today is more enlightened about the political situation in the Islamic world, and takes steps to deal with it intelligently, not foolishly.

Posted January 09, 2008 by Albert

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis 'he said,' but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the 'peaceful majority', the 'silent majority', is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

England has almost surrendered to the Islamic wave having more than 130 new mosques built in 2005 and proposed 100 to be built in 2006 - in 2007 the count was 843 prayer meeting places with howling/wailing towers across England.

So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on!

Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this - think about it - and send it on.

Perhaps sometimes, the end does 'not' justify the means.

Posted April 13, 2008 by Pat Riot

APPEAL FOR JUSTICE TO SAVE FROM OPPRESSIVE LAWS

Dear Sir
From 1972 after independent many of the Bangladeshi Citizens started to Established Industries investing family resources & adopting innovative technology as self earner & to create job opportunity for million of unemployed person for achieving economic freedom. And Government also started to help these growing PRIVATE SECTOR INDUSTRIES having fund from International Loan giving Agencies, through different Bank. From 1989.
But the Industrial Entrepreneurs becomes victims of deep rooted conspiracy & anti Propaganda .The Bank Official refrain themselves from ascertaining production capacity of imported machineries and to provide required working capital loan in time extending total non-cooperation, negligence or even to receive back their money if any Entrepreneur decided to pay back the loan amount..
Due to Such conspiracy & negligence’s , Non Banking Activities of Bank Official & Policy Maker, most of the these Industries became inoperative & have lost their Cash Capital, Expatriate Capabilities, and helpless victims of such deep rooted conspiracy having similarity to :
HISTORY WHICH REMIND US THAT THE HANDS OF THE TECHNICIAN OF MUSLIN FABRICS “ ,THE FINEST QUALITY FABRICS WHICH WERE EVER MADE IN BENGAL ONLY “ WERE CUT DOWN BY THE THEN COLONIAL RULER OF UNDIVIDED INDIA.”
In 1992 &1996 the Sick Industries Rehabilitation Cell were formed by GOVERNMENT OF BANGLADESH & have Identified and Registered these Industries as SICK INDUSTRIES declaring not as defaulter but victims of Violation of Contract, Negligence, Fraudulent Activities, Malpractices of Bank Officials including Policy Maker due to lack of Accountability .which are no more hidden matter . But unfortunately the SICK INDUSTRIES REHABILITATION CELL are now closed. & have no power to help Industries of private sector.
Industrial Entrepreneur of Bangladesh are completely deprive of Legal Right due to enactment of BANK RUPTCY ACT of 1997 and ARTHA RIN ACT of 1989 which were amended on 2003 and 2007 treating the INDUSTRIAL ENTRPRENEURS OF PRIVATE SECTOR as like as SLAVE of Primitive Age.
But these laws are not applicable in Nationalized Sector where Billions of Dollars are invested with no result. Total outstanding Defaulted Bank Loan are about 60 to 70 % are lying with Government Sector, and only 10 % with Small & Medium Size Industries of Private Sector & Bank Official can explain well about the balance amount of out standing Loan amount

LAW OF TORTS ARE MOST COMMON LAW even in neighboring countries not to speak of USA , EUROPE or AUSTRALIA, BUT NOT APPLICABLE IN BANGLESH YET DUE TO WHICH BANGLADESH HAS BECOME A HEAVEN FOR REPRESSION / EXPLOITATION BY BANK OFFICIAL AND POLICY MAKER including other Agencies .
The Owner of Industries under Private Sector can not CLAIM ANY COMPENSATION OR SET OPF on the Suit filed by the Bank Official or Loan Giving Agencies FOR VIOLATION OF CONTRACT, NEGLEGIENCES, MALPRACTICES, including fraudulent activities of Bank officials As a result NUMBER OF SICK / DISTRESSED Industries are increasing in Every Year due to lack of accountability of Bank Official / policy maker due to restriction as per SECTION NO 18 ( 2) & ( 3 ) of ARTHA RIN ACT of 2003 Bank Official / Loan Giving Agencies have been given total indemnity in all respect . These have been done to hide out existing high profile malpractices, corruption as per opinion of Expert Personals at organizational level .
Industrial Entrepreneur have no legal right to protect themselves from the oppression of Bank Official & Policy Maker which are no more hidden matter rather a part of deep rooted conspiracy till date
Bank official have given absolute Indemnity for Violation of Contract , Negligence Malpractices & Fraudulent Activities Industrial Entrepreneurs can file a separate suit for compensation in separate civil Court creating more complicacy for life long litigation WITH OF NO RESULT due to restriction to obstruct or resist any order / decree of ARTHA RIN ACT / COURT by any other DECREE OR ORDER OF OTHER COURT or even of by HIGHER COURT THE RIGHT OF EQUITY OF LAW HAVE COMPLETELY BEEN DENIED TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENTREPRENEUR OF PRIVATE SECTOR.

Sections 12, 12 ( khan ) 18 ( 2 ) & (3 ) 19, 20, 21, 34,40, 41, 42, 44, 47 and 50 of ARTHA RIN ACT are direct violation of ARTICLE NO : 8, 15, 26 and 27 of BANGLADESH CONSTITUTION and self contradictory to the policy of Government to resist Malpractices and Corruption.

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Now there are no other alternative way but to draw the kind attention of Concerned Authority Including International Community / Organizations seeking help for JUSTICE to save & protect the OWNER OF SICK OR DISTRESSED INDUSTRIES OF Bangladesh under Private Sector, including their properties from such deep rooted conspiracy and oppressive laws as well to protect the interest of large number of workers, staffs of the Private Sector and also for CHANGE of such oppressive laws to restore Accountability of Bank Official / Loan Giving Agencies including Policy Maker to ensure for National Interest

( A ) - Humble appeal before the Government of Bangladesh to kindly allow Industrial Entrepreneur to claim Set Off or compensation on suit filed by the Bank / loan Giving Agencies. or allow to Run Compensation Suit Simultaneously with suits file by Bank Officials under ARTHA RIN ACT -2003 with equal opportunity and equal right between Banks / Loan Giving Agencies and of Industrial Entrepreneurs keeping similarity with on going process of ECONOMIC and ADMINISTRATIVE ,REFORMS PROGRAMME OF Bangladesh to maintain balance of law .

( B ) - All suits of Artha Rin Court may kindly be transferred to Civil Commercial Court providing Equal Right and Opportunity to prove and fix up the actual responsibility .

(C)- The Identified and Government Registered SICK INDUSTRIES of 1992 & 1996 of Private Sector have suffered heavy loss and damages due to Non-Banking Activities of Bank Officials and Policy Maker may kindly be allowed 100 % weaver of all type of loan liabilities as the loan have already been Written Off earlier .

( D )- The system of mortgage of Land & Properties from the Industrial Borrowers by Bank or any Loan Giving Agencies are mostly responsible for Malpractices and ever growing corruption in Banking Sectorand need to be completely bolished at earliest possible time to ESTABLISH ACCOUNTABILITY and Check Malpractices, Fraudulent Activities which are now growing by large in Banks or other Loan Giving Agencies and a major reason of Industrial Sickness as per expert opinions. .

( E ) - And the above mentioned SECTIONS OF ARTHA RIN ACTS should be abolished immediately to restore accountability & check against existing Negligence , Malpractices & Fraudulent Activities of Banking Sector.
More surprising are in this moment around 40,000 thousand suits have been filed by the banks in the Court for recovery of bank loam of this poor country , but no body speaks why such large numbers of Industries in Private Sector are getting more & more sick in each year

(F) – And Section 28 ( Ka ) of BANKING COMPANY of 2001 which explain WRITTEN OFF does not mean Weaver. Bhich are simply to misguide the International Community & Bangladesh National so as to serve the interest of the Vested Group

( G ) - It would be an extreme favors if your good self kindly collect the PRINTED COPIES OF THE ABOVE MENTION LAWS for confirmation of above mentioned facts .& to help the Suffering Groups by circulating this appeal among Honorable Member of your Organization and Partner’s Organizations & to Publish in WEBSITES or News Bulletin or News Media, Electronic Media of your territory to bring to the knowledge of Concern Authority including International COMMUNITY OR ORGANIZATIONS working for HUMAN RIGHT & FUNDAMENTAL / Democratic Right of People for immediate help and support to protect the Owner of the Sick Industries / Distressed Industries of Bangladesh and their properties from such OPPRESSIVE LAWS for which they all would be ever grateful as well for change of all types of oppressive laws restoring accountability at all organization

********* N.B. the Summery of above mentioned Section of Arthatha Rin Act at a Galance:

(A)- In section 18 ( 2 ) & ( 3 ) Defendant or Owner of Industries will not be able to claim any set – off or to make counter claim against the Bank or Bank Official nor will be allowed to claim any Compensation by submitting any Suit against Bank ( Plaintiff ) analogously or simultaneously in Artha Rin Court due to violation of contract, fraudulence activities including negligence, malpractices of Bank officials.
(B)- Section 21: Settlement Conference between Borrower and Bank is a misnomer of Law of Arbitration or just to divert the attention of common people in the name arbitration or to make everybody fool .
(C) -As Per Section 19 (6) of Artha Rin Act of 2003 no suits can be declared to be dismissed or discharged for default or above mentioned fault of Bank Official. As per Section 20 regarding any order or proceedings of Artha Rin Act can not be raised to Higher Court or to any Other Superior Authority without paying 50 % of claimed or Decretal Amount if the order is totally misleading or against any law or illegal one even .
(D) - As per Section 34 Defendant or the Owner of Industries in Artha Rin Adalat Case can be put to the Jail for compelling or forcing him to pay the Bank Money without considering the fault or negligence’s of Bank Official without allowing him to proof the matter of violation of contract, fraudulence activities , negligence, malpractices of Bank officials. V- As per section 41 and 42 -The Owner of Industries are not allowed to file any appeal or revision to High Court or Superior Court against any order of Artha Rin Court without paying 50 % of the claimed amount or Decretal amount in advance , But the Bank Official are not require to pay any amount in advance in the Higher Court, allowing A Great Disparity of Law and Justice.
(E) - Under section 47 and 50 , The learned Court under Artha Rin Act of 2003 have been bared to make any exemption of principal loan amount for Violation of Contract , Negligence’s Malpractices, including fraudulent activities or any fault of the bank official uni laterally

(F)- Section 12 ( Kha ) Imposed a bar for filling write petition to Higher Court which are direct violation of human right and constitutional right of the citizen and reflects the negative attitude of Policy Maker and the Law Maker .

Suffering Groups of Industrial Entrepreneurs of Bangladesh

Posted September 19, 2008 by Suffering Groups of Industrial entrepreneurs of Bangladesh

APPEAL FOR JUSTICE TO SAVE FROM OPPRESSIVE LAWS

Dear Sir
From 1972 after independent many of the Bangladeshi Citizens started to Established Industries investing family resources & adopting innovative technology as SELF EARNER & to create job opportunity for million of unemployed youth for achieving economic freedom. And Government also started to help these growing PRIVATE SECTOR INDUSTRIES having fund from International Loan giving Agencies, through different Bank. From 1979.
But the Industrial Entrepreneurs becomes victims of deep rooted conspiracy & Anti Propaganda .The Bank Official refrain themselves from ascertaining production capacity of imported machineries and to provide required working capital loan in time extending total non-cooperation, negligence or even to receive back their money if any Industrial Entrepreneur decided to pay back the loan amount so as to jeopardize the Government Policy of privatizations.
This way Thousands and Hundreds of Industries of Medium and Small Type of Private Sector of Bangladesh have been destroyed by Bank Officials .

Due to Such conspiracy & negligence’s , Non Banking Activities of Bank Official & Policy Maker, most of the these Industries have became inoperative & have lost their Cash Capital, Expatriate Capabilities, and helpless victims of such deep rooted conspiracy having similarity having no legal protections .
HISTORY WHICH REMIND US THAT THE HANDS OF THE TECHNICIAN OF MUSLIN FABRICS “ ,THE FINEST QUALITY FABRICS WHICH WERE EVER MADE IN BENGAL ONLY “ WERE CUT DOWN BY THE THEN COLONIAL RULER OF UNDIVIDED INDIA.”
In 1992 &1996 the Sick Industries Rehabilitation Cell were formed by GOVERNMENT OF BANGLADESH & have Identified and Registered these Industries as SICK INDUSTRIES declaring not as defaulter but victims of Violation of Contract, Negligence, Fraudulent Activities, Malpractices of Bank Officials including Policy Maker due to lack of Accountability .which are no more hidden matter . But unfortunately the SICK INDUSTRIES REHABILITATION CELL are now closed.
Although The INDUSTRIAL ENTERPRENEUR of Bangladesh are looking desperately for JUSTICE but the same have been closed for unknown reason.
Industrial Entrepreneur of Bangladesh are completely deprive of Legal Right due to enactment ARTHA RIN ACT ACT on 1989 and Bankruptcy Act on 1997 treating the INDUSTRIAL ENTRPRENEURS OF PRIVATE SECTOR as like as SLAVE of Primitive Age.

But these laws are not applicable in Nationalized Sector where Billions of Dollars are invested with no result. Total outstanding Defaulted Bank Loan are about 60 to 70 % lying with Government Sector / Nationalized Concern ,
And less then 10 % Bank loan lying with Small & Medium Size Industries of Private Sector & Bank Official can explain well about the balance of the remaining out standing Loan.

LAW OF TORTS ARE MOST COMMON LAW USA , EUROPE or AUSTRALIA, BUT NOT APPLICABLE IN BANGLESH YET DUE TO WHICH BANGLADESH HAS BECOME A HEAVEN FOR REPRESSION / EXPLOITATION BY BANK OFFICIAL AND POLICY MAKER including other Agencies .

INDUSTRIAL ENTREPRENEUR OF PRIVAT SECTOR CAMN NOT CLAIM ANY COMPENSATION OR SET OFF on the Suit filed by the Bank Official or Loan Giving Agencies FOR VIOLATION OF CONTRACT, NEGLEGIENCES, MALPRACTICES, including fraudulent activities of Bank officials instead of huge loss and damages .

As a result CONDITION OF SICK / DISTRESSED INDUSTRIES are in deplorable condition due to lack of accountability of Bank Official / Policy Maker & due to restriction as per SECTION NO 18 ( 2) & ( 3 ) of ARTHA RIN ACT allowing total indemnity to Bank Official / Loan Giving Agencies . These have been done to hide out existing high profile malpractices, corruption and negligence as per opinion of Expert Personals at organizational level depriving the Industrial Entrepreneur from Justice.
Industrial Entrepreneur have no legal right to protect themselves and from the oppression of Bank Official & Policy Maker which are no more hidden matter rather a part of deep rooted conspiracy till date and also from OPPRESSIVE LAW

Bank official have given absolute Indemnity for Violation of Contract , Negligence Malpractices & Fraudulent Activities Industrial Entrepreneurs can file a separate suit for compensation in separate civil Court creating more complicacy for life long litigation WITH OF NO RESULT due to restriction to obstruct or resist any order / decree of ARTHA RIN ACT / COURT by any other DECREE OR ORDER OF OTHER COURT or even of by HIGHER COURT. THE RIGHT OF EQUITY OF LAW HAVE COMPLETELY BEEN DENIED TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENTREPRENEUR OF PRIVATE SECTOR.

Sections 12, 12 ( khan ) 18 ( 2 ) & (3 ) 19, 20, 21, 34,40, 41, 42, 44, 47 and 50 of ARTHA RIN ACT are directly repressive types violating of ARTICLE NO : 8, 15, 26 and 27 of BANGLADESH CONSTITUTION and self contradictory to the policy of Government to resist Malpractices and Corruption and Privatization programmed ax Mentioned in Industrial Policy

Now there are no other alternative way but to draw the kind attention of Concerned Authority Including International Community / Organizations seeking help for JUSTICE to save & protect the OWNER OF SICK OR DISTRESSED INDUSTRIES OF Bangladesh under Private Sector, including their properties from such deep rooted conspiracy and oppressive laws as well to protect the interest of large number of workers, staffs of the Private Sector and also for CHANGE of such oppressive laws to restore Accountability of Bank Official / Loan Giving Agencies including Policy Maker to ensure for National Interest

( A ) - Humble appeal before the Government of Bangladesh to kindly allow Industrial Entrepreneur to claim Set Off or compensation on suit filed by the Bank or loan Giving Agencies. or allow to Run Compensation Suit Simultaneously with suits file by Bank Officials under ARTHA RIN ACT with equal opportunity and equal right.

( B ) - All suits of Artha Rin Court may kindly be transferred to Civil Commercial Court providing Equal Right and Opportunity to prove and fix up the actual responsibility .

(C)- Considering the Heavy loss and Damages of Government Registered and Identified SICK INDUSTRIES of 1992 & 1996 of Private Sector since last 25 years due to Non-Banking Activities of Bank Officials and Policy Maker may kindly be allowed 100 % weaver of all type of Bank loan liabilities to minimize their heavy loss and damages. .

( D )- The system of mortgage of Land & Properties from the Industrial Entrepreneur by Bank or any Loan Giving Agencies as Securities are mostly responsible for Malpractices and ever growing Corruption including Fraudulent Activities in Banking Sector, which are now proven matter and may kindly be completely abolished at earliest possible time to ESTABLISH ACCOUNTABILITY and check Malpractices, Fraudulent Activities which are now growing by large in Banking Sector or other Loan Giving Agencies.

( E ) - And the above mentioned Sections 12, 12 ( khan ) 18 ( 2 ) & (3 ) 19, 20, 21, 34,40, 41, 42, 44, 47 and 50 of ARTHA RIN ACT may kindly be abolished immediately to restore accountability & check against existing Negligence , Malpractices & Fraudulent Activities of Banking Sector.


(F) – And Section 28 ( Ka ) of BANKING COMPANY of 2001 which explain WRITTEN OFF does not mean Weaver were enacted to misguide the International Community & Bangladesh National so as to serve the interest of the Vested Group & to hide the above

( G ) - It would be an extreme favors if your good self kindly collect the PRINTED COPIES OF THE ABOVE MENTION LAWS for confirmation of above mentioned facts .& to help the Suffering Groups by circulating this appeal among Honorable Member of your Organization and Partner’s Organizations & to Publish in WEBSITES or News Bulletin or News Media, Electronic Media of your territory to bring to the knowledge of Concern Authority including International COMMUNITY OR ORGANIZATIONS working for HUMAN RIGHT & FUNDAMENTAL / Democratic Right of People for immediate help and support to protect the Owner of the Sick Industries / Distressed Industries of Bangladesh and their properties from such OPPRESSIVE LAWS for which they all would be ever grateful as well for change of all types of oppressive laws restoring accountability at all organization of Bangladesh.

********* N.B. the Summery of above mentioned Section of Arthatha Rin Act at a Galance:

(A)- In section 18 ( 2 ) & ( 3 ) Defendant or Owner of Industries will not be able to claim any set – off or to make counter claim against the Bank or Bank Official nor will be allowed to claim any Compensation by submitting any Suit against Bank ( Plaintiff ) analogously or simultaneously in Artha Rin Court due to violation of contract, fraudulence activities including negligence, malpractices of Bank officials.
(B)- Section 21: Settlement Conference between Borrower and Bank is a misnomer of Law of Arbitration or just to divert the attention of common people in the name arbitration or to make everybody fool .
(C) -As Per Section 19 (6) of Artha Rin Act of 2003 no suits can be declared to be dismissed or discharged for default or above mentioned fault of Bank Official. As per Section 20 regarding any order or proceedings of Artha Rin Act can not be raised to Higher Court or to any Other Superior Authority without paying 50 % of claimed or Decretal Amount if the order is totally misleading or against any law or illegal one even .
(D) - As per Section 34 Defendant or the Owner of Industries in Artha Rin Adalat Case can be put to the Jail for compelling or forcing him to pay the Bank Money without considering the fault or negligence’s of Bank Official without allowing him to proof the matter of violation of contract, fraudulence activities , negligence, malpractices of Bank officials. V- As per section 41 and 42 -The Owner of Industries are not allowed to file any appeal or revision to High Court or Superior Court against any order of Artha Rin Court without paying 50 % of the claimed amount or Decretal amount in advance , But the Bank Official are not require to pay any amount in advance in the Higher Court, allowing A Great Disparity of Law and Justice.
(E) - Under section 47 and 50 , The learned Court under Artha Rin Act of 2003 have been bared to make any exemption of principal loan amount for Violation of Contract , Negligence’s Malpractices, including fraudulent activities or any fault of the bank official uni laterally

(F)- Section 12 ( Kha ) Imposed a bar for filling write petition to Higher Court which are direct violation of human right and constitutional right of the citizen and reflects the negative attitude of Policy Maker and the Law Maker .

Suffering Groups of Industrial Entrepreneurs of Bangladesh

Posted September 25, 2008 by Suffering Group Industrial Entrepreneurs of Bangladesh

APPEAL FOR JUSTICE TO SAVE FROM OPPRESSIVE LAWS
Dear Sir
From 1972 after independent ,Bangladeshi Nationals started to Established Industries investing family resources ,adopting innovative technology as SELF EARNER & to create job for million of unemployed as well as to achieve economic freedom when everything were damaged and leftover .
From 1980 Government started helping these fast growing PRIVATE SECTOR INDUSTRIES having fund from International Grant or Loan Giving Agencies and distributed through different Bank.
But unfortunately Owner of Industries becomes helpless victims of deep rooted conspiracy & Anti Propaganda .. The Bank Official refrain themselves from ascertaining production capacity of imported machineries and to provide required working capital loan in time extending non-cooperation, negligence & non-banking activities .These have been done willingly to Jeopardize the Government Decision of Privatizations as well to occupy the mortgaged properties of the Owner of Industries of Bangladesh
Hundreds & Thousand of Industries in Bangladesh have been destroyed by Bank Officials & Policy Maker who are not aware of First Changing Technology of present time. even.
Over and above Capitalizing the Illiteracy, Ignorance and Extreme Poverty of majority of Bangladesh Citizen Every things have been forced upon the Owner of Industries of PRIVATE SECTOR in co-operation with their alliance , who are engaged to make Bangladesh a bottom less country. again
Due to Such Conspiracy , Negligence’s and violation of contracts by Bank Official & Policy Maker, most of these Industries have became in-operative & have lost their Cash Capital, Expatriate Capabilities. And became helpless victims of oppressive laws
In 1992 &1996 the Sick Industries Rehabilitation Cell were formed by GOVERNMENT OF BANGLADESH & have Identified and Registered these Industries as SICK INDUSTRIES declaring not as defaulter but victims of Violation of Contract, Negligence, Fraudulent Activities, Malpractices of Bank Officials including Policy Maker.
LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY in different Organization of Bangladesh are no more hidden matter till date .
THE OWNER OF THE INDUSTRIES OF BANGLADESH ARE LOOKING VERY HELPLESSLY FOR JUSTICE BUT THE DOOR OF JUSTICE ARE CLOSED FOR UNKNOWN REASONS.
Owner of Industries are deprived of Legal Right due to ARTHA RIN ACT ACT of 1989 which were amended several time on 2003 and 2007.The Bankruptcy Act of 1997 treating the OWNERS OF INDUSTRIES as like as SLAVE of COLONIAL PERIOD When the Hands of the Producer and Technician of “Muslin Fabrics” ( which were only produced in UNDIVIDED BENGAL ) were cut down
But these laws are not applicable in Nationalized Sector where billions of US Dollars are spend and are unaccounted
Total outstanding Defaulted Bank Loan are about 60 to 70 % lying with Government Sector / Nationalized Concern. And less then 10 % Bank loan are lying with Small & Medium Size Industries of Private Sector. And Bank Official can explain well about the balance of the remaining out standing Loan.
LAW OF TORTS and LAW OF CONTRACT ARE MOST COMMON LAW IN ALL COUNTRY and even in our NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY Like INDIA , BUT NOT APPLICABLE IN BANGLADESH YET DUE TO WHICH BANGLADESH HAS BECOME A HEAVEN FOR REPRESSION / EXPLOITATION forcing the Process of increasing - Poverty line in Geometric Ration and also helping HUMAN TRAFFICKING in large scale.
OWNER OF INDUSTRIES OF PRIVATE SECTOR CAN NOT CLAIM ANY COMPENSATION OR SET OFF on the Suit filed by the Bank Official or Loan Giving Agencies under Artha Rin Act , 2003 FOR VIOLATION OF CONTRACT, NEGLEGIENCES, MALPRACTICES, including fraudulent activities of Bank officials instead of huge loss and damages although Bangladesh is known as DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY

Also Common PEOPLE WHO ARE FACING ANOTHER TYPE OF REPRESSIVE LAW UNDER CERTIFICATE CASE for realization of Taxes , Agricultural Loan , including Weaver’s Loan or loan from cottage industries etc.







OWNER OF INDUSTRIES can only file a separate suit for compensation in separate CIVIL COURT CREATING MORE complicacy for life long litigation WITH OF NO RESULT .
Due to restriction to obstruct or resist any order / decree of ARTHA RIN ACT / COURT by any other DECREE OR ORDER OF ARTHA RIN COURT or even of by HIGHER COURT. THE RIGHT OF EQUITY OF LAW HAVE COMPLETELY BEEN DENIED TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENTREPRENEUR OF PRIVATE SECTOR IN BANGLADESH .
But in India for recovery of defaulted Bank Loan there are separate law known as D R T ( DEBT RECOVERY ACT ) in which The Owner of the Industries or any Borrowers can claim set off or can claim compensation for the violation of contract , negligences , fraudulent activities including malice or malafide activities of Bank officials

And Sections 12, 12 ( khan ) 18 ( 2 ) & (3 ) 19, 20, 21, 34,40, 41, 42, 44, 47 and 50 of ARTHA RIN ACT -2003 are CONTRADICTORY TO ARTICLE NO : 8, 15, 26 and 27 of BANGLADESH CONSTITUTION and Government Industrial Policy adopted time to time..
Now there are no other alternative way but to draw the kind attention of Concerned Authority Including International Community / Organizations seeking help for JUSTICE and Support to save & protect the OWNER OF SICK OR DISTRESSED INDUSTRIES OF Bangladesh under Private Sector, including their properties from such deep rooted conspiracy and oppressive laws as well to protect the interest of large number of workers, staffs of the Private Sector and also for CHANGE of such oppressive laws to restore Accountability of Bank Official / Loan Giving Agencies including Policy Maker to ensure greater Interest of The Nations

( A ) - Humble appeal before the Government of Bangladesh to allow Industrial Entrepreneur to claim Set Off or Compensation on suit filed by the Bank or loan Giving Agencies. or allow to Run Compensation Suit Simultaneously with suits file by Bank Officials under ARTHA RIN ACT with equal opportunity and equal right so as to restore total accountability ,which will be similar to DRT ( Debt Recovery Tribunal of INDIA )
(B)- Considering the Heavy loss and Damages of Government Registered and Identified SICK INDUSTRIES of 1992 & 1996 of Private Sector due to Negligence , Violation of Contract & Non-Banking Activities etc. of Bank Officials and Policy Maker & need 100 % Weaver of all type of Bank loan liabilities to minimize their heavy loss and damages to certain extent under LIMITATION ACT
( C )- The system of keeping mortgage of Land & Properties from the Owner of Industries by Bank or any Loan Giving Agencies as Securities are mostly responsible for Malpractices and ever growing Corruption, & Fraudulent Activities in Banking Sector, which are now proven matter and may kindly be completely abolished as a part of reform programs at earliest possible time to ESTABLISH ACCOUNTABILITY and Check Malpractices, Fraudulent Activities which are now growing by large in Banking Sector or in other Loan Giving Agencies upto root Levels
( D ) - All suits of Artha Rin Court may kindly be transferred to Civil Commercial Court abolishing SECTIONS 12, 12 ( khan ) 18 ( 2 ) & (3 ) 19, 20, 21, 34,40, 41, 42, 44, 47 and 50 of ARTHA RIN ACT -2003 for the end of Justice .
( E ) – And Section 28 ( Ka ) of BANKING COMPANY of 2001 which explain WRITTEN OFF does not mean Weaver were included to SERVE THE PURPOSE OF VESTED GROUPS & Their AGENTS and also to misguide the International Community & Bangladesh National
( F ) And also take immediate steps to reform or abolished the system of CERTIFICATE CASE Which are nothing but abuse of Law for realizing Government Taxes , Agricultural Loan etc and is one of the worst system of CLONIAL RULE
Suffering Groups of Owner of Industries of Bangladesh

Posted November 15, 2008 by Suffering Groups

Musharraf was misunderstood and a victim of terrorist propaganda

Posted March 20, 2009 by Anthony Ibegbuna

Is it true, this war got started because your Muslim diplomats were killed in Oregon in 1997.What the Muslim diplomats did to those two teenage girls was wrong.I know the true story, I use to work in a undercover FBI building down town Portland Oregon in 1997. I knew they were going to kill the Muslim diplomats at that gas station. I knew it before it happen.The world sucks, and I am looked up in a mental hospital. I never tell

Posted September 01, 2010 by 2nd Lt

How did you Muslims find out, that the New York senate had your diplomats kill in Oregon in 1997, is that why the Muslims did what they did on 9-11?

Posted September 01, 2010 by 2nd Lt